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The Craps Underground - A Review
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Last spring, Frank Scoblete estimated that there are fewer than 200 skilled 'dice controllers' operating in the US. By doing a little division, that would mean on average, those 200 dice 'controllers' are taking down $50,000 in profits, each. This article is provided by the Frank Scoblete Network. Kaplan is the network's managing editor. If you would like to use this article on your website, please contact Casino City Press, the exclusive web syndication outlet for the Frank Scoblete Network. To contact Frank, please e-mail him at fscobe@optonline.net.
'Scoblete's new book depicts the real world of dice influencing about as accurately as Hogan's Heroes depicted life in a World War II German POW camp.'
That was my initial impression of Scoblete's new book which I posted on the message board a few weeks back. Now I've had a chance to re-read the book a couple of times and fully digest it. Fortunately, I acquired one of the pre-release copies of the book, gratis. I would have had a SERIOUS case of buyers remorse had I actually paid $24.95 for this 315 page hard cover dog.
My complete review follows.
I read a lot. I spend an hour and a half each work day on a train, so I go through books quickly. In my library, I have probably 40 to 50 books on craps specifically or gambling in general. In all the gambling books I've read, I can unequivocallysay that no matter how poorly written or conceived the book was, I've always found some redeeming quality in the book. The Craps Undergroundis the exception. If a good gambling book is like a delicious filet mignon, this book is more akin to the stuff they feed people on the TV show, Fear Factor.
Let's start with the ENTIRE title of the book. The Craps Underground - The Inside Story of How Dice Controllers Are Winning Millions from the Casinos. Pure, unadulterated hype. For arguments sake, we'll assume that 'Millions' means something more than one or two million, ten million would be a reasonable starting point, and it's at least implied that it also means millions in net profit.
Last spring, Frank Scoblete estimated that there are fewer than 200 skilled 'dice controllers' operating in the US. By doing a little division, that would mean on average, those 200 dice 'controllers' are taking down $50,000 in profits, each. Except for a few rather well bankrolled shooters, there is no evidence that the average dice controller is showing that kind of profit. Yes, many dice influencers are consistently profitable but the title alone, and I'll repeat myself here, is unadulterated hype.
So, now let's get into the book a bit. Chapter one opens with Scoblete having a marathon winning session with the dicecoach, Beau Parker. Here's how Scoblete describes the session with the dicecoach...
'...seven glorious hours shooting dice with a fellow dice controller and newfound friend known as the 'Bodacious One,' Beau Parker.'
This session, and these warm expressions of friendship for the dicecoach occurred just a few months prior to the formation of GTC. I'll get back to that later.
Let's dive a little further into this drivel. In the early chapters, we get to hear Scoblete wax poetically about 'the Captain,' again. Yawn.... hasn't he beaten that horse to death yet? Then he introduces various future members of the GTC organization.
Apparently, these guys never lose! Or if they do happen to have a poor session, it is quickly followed by a miraculous comeback. AMAZING! There are a couple of chapters on 'The Lee Brothers.' These two chapters are almost engaging. Except for one thing. OF COURSE 'The Lee Brothers' coincidentally have read all of Scoblete's books, and religiously play like the captain. Subtle as a freight train, that Scoblete.
There's a chapter on the Las Vegas Craps Festival which I participated in. Scoblete briefly mentions me here, and he certainly had the opportunity to take some shots at me if he wanted to. Surprisingly he didn't though, for whatever reason. However, he did misrepresent what I discussed that day. Here's what he had to say about me.
'Irishsetter has strong opinions.'
Well, he got THAT part right but later went on to say,
'In fact, Irishsetter made a strong pitch that people shouldn't be paying or charging to learn dice control, that all the information should be free.'
In all actuality, I said nothing of the sort. The gist of my discussion was twofold. One, that aspiring dice influencers should learn as much as possible for free, or as cheaply as they can, and two, that there is no one single correct philosophy on how to set, grip and throw the dice. My opinion today is no different. If you're interested, I have an article on dicesetter.com which goes further into my discussion that day called, The 'Missing' Tape - The Article.
My guess is that given the opportunity, Scoblete didn't want to take any obvious shots at me, but instead chose to misrepresent my discussion in an attempt to embarrass me since I do occasionally participate in seminars. What IS missing in the book, is what Scoblete talked about that day.
One of the major points of his discussion was that dice influencers would soon begin to experience the kind of heat that card counters get if they didn't go 'underground.' It seems Scoblete had a change of heart. Either that, or his definition of going 'underground' is hyping dice influencing in books, holding seminars in casinos, and advertising dice control on the radio and in newspapers and magazines.
Blah, blah, blah. Several chapters not even worth mentioning.
OK, what's next. Scoblete raids Jerry Patterson's PARR organization of most of the coaching staff and Golden Touch Craps is born. Despite the fact that I'm intimately knowledgeable about many of the personalities involved here, these chapters are about as interesting as watching hibernating bears.
I have to give Scoblete credit though. He mentions his GTC staff and as many hangers on in the GTC periphery as often as possible. Why? Because the average Joe will think it's really 'neat' that Frank Scoblete put them in his book. Pathetic? Yes. But, those folks in the periphery will go out on amazon.com, buy multiple copies of the book, and write a glowing review so their friends will buy it and see their names in print. Oh Boy!
Now we get to the 'A and E Special.' It's my opinion that the truth lies somewhere between what was broadcast by A and E, what has been written on the various web sites, and what is written in this book about the special. What Scoblete wants you to believe is that A and E decided not to broadcast the footage of all the winning sessions that actually occurred. This despite the fact that the A and E special was basically a feel-good piece.
The funny thing about the A and E special is that the dicecoach, who was the main focus, invited Frank Scoblete to join him. (Scoblete then invited several other folks. What a guy!) Remember how they'd become 'friends' during their marathon craps shoot several months earlier?
It seems that 'ole Scoblete is beginning to have a change of heart again. You see, Scoblete in the A and E chapter elaborates these wonderful stories about the GTC folks involved, but basically trashes everyone else who is not involved with GTC like the dicecoach, Soft Touch, and Hardways.
Blah, blah, blah. A couple more chapters not even worth mentioning.
Ah...finally we're heading to the conclusion of the book. Scoblete closes the book with his Las Vegas Diary. This portion of the book was published on his site several months back, so I was familiar with this part already.
I'll give you the long and short of his 15 day diary here. Frank wins. Frank says wonderful things about the various GTC folks he plays with. Frank says nasty things about various other people he comes across. They lament that Treasure Island isn't as friendly as it used to be. Boo-hoo-hoo. Frank and his playing partners lose, but miraculously have a comeback! Heard this before?
What is really interesting about the diary is how Scoblete trashes dicecoach, again. Remember, in the opening of the book, Frank and Beau are 'newfound friends.' Now, just a year later, here are just a few things that Scoblete now has to say about dicecoach. When asked if Frank knew the dicecoach, he replied,
'No, no' and 'I barely know him.'
Apparently he doesn't even have the cojones to refer to Beau by his name or his moniker at this point. Throughout the diary he refers to him now as 'Crapsguy' and basically lays blame on Beau for whatever heat they experience in the casino. Frank writes,
'Some GTC members had a theory that the Crapsguy, the freelance dice-control instructor, had been too public, aggressive and up-front at the tables about what he was doing...'
This coming from the Scoblete is a hoot! He goes on to say,
'even when GTC did our course at Sam's Town in Tunica we were laid back at the tables and never talked about dice control or handed our business cards across the table to drum up new business as the Crapsguy is wont to do.'
Again, from Scoblete's pen, this is a riot. I mean, he's holding a seminar in a casino for Pete's sake and he complaining about thedicecoach handing out his business card? Besides, just a few pages earlier in the book, Scoblete had elaborated the following story which occurred at the Green Valley Ranch crap tables.
'..a dealer at Sunset Station, who likes to play at Green Valley Ranch, complimented me on my style. I gave him one of our Craps Club Black Chips with our phone number, and whispered to him if he was interested in learning how to roll like that give us a call.'
So, Frank will deride you for behavior that he himself exhibits. Hmmm. What's that saying? Oh yeah. Pot - Kettle - Black.
I wonder how Beau the dicecoach would have been portrayed in the The Craps Underground had he accepted GTC's invitation to join their organization. You think perhaps THAT had something to do with Frank's change of heart, from 'friend' to 'the Crapsguy?'
Basically, the book in a nutshell is this. 70% of the book is an infomercial for GTC. 20% of the book is various trip reports. Don't worry. The few sessions which aren't profitable for Scoblete? Just read on, a miraculous comeback is in store. The final 10% of the book is the subtle trashing of anyone who is not involved with GTC or a member of the GTC flock.
If you read the jacket cover of the book, and anything else Scoblete writes for that matter, it says,
'Frank Scoblete is the number-one best-selling gaming author in America..'
If that's true, and people really do think Scoblete has something to say, well, then, my mother was right when she said,
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.'
'Rhythmic rollers take too long to deliver the dice and that's why the casinos get annoyed.' You hear this from casino boxmen and women, pit people, dealers and even rhythmic rollers. Sharpshooter, author of Get the Edge at Craps: How to Control the Dice, cautions his students to 'set the dice in two seconds.' Beau, the 'dice coach' (www.dicecoach.com) agrees with that two second estimate. And so I figure, do the casinos. I've sometimes rushed my shots because I thought I was taking too long to deliver the dice.
Many rhythmic rollers fear if they take too much time, the casinos might get annoyed and ban them from setting their numbers. Knowing that blackjack players have been 'asked' not to play in certain establishments because they are 'too good,' I don't want this to befall me or any rhythmic roller.
Recently the Captain and I were discussing this issue of taking too long with the dice and he said, 'How do you know rhythmic rollers take longer to deliver the dice than random rollers? How long is a craps roll on average? How long does it take for a random shooter, once the dice are in front of him, to get a decision? From point A, the pushing of the dice to the shooter, to point B, the two dice stop and the stickman calls out the number, what is the average length of time? Is there a difference between the rhythmic rollers and the random rollers in total time elapsed?' The Captain thought there might be a small difference. I figured it was a big difference.
As far as I know, no scientific study has ever been done concerning the difference between careful shooters (defined as anyone who sets the dice and takes time with the rolls) and careless shooters (defined as those who pick up the dice, shake them, kiss them, blow on them, and wing them down the layout where they bounce and bump all over the place). So I decided to do one myself. Here's what I found, checking my watch as I watched the shooters.
There was very little difference between careful and careless shooters from starting point A to decision point B. The average careful roller took between five and 10 seconds from the time the dice were passed to him until a decision was made. The careless roller took between four and 10 seconds.
I took 10 shooters that I considered careful rollers and 10 careless shooters, and I tried to answer these questions:
- When the dice are pushed to the shooter and the stickman takes the stick away, how long does it take the dice to get into the air?
- Once the dice leave the shooter's hand, how long before a decision is rendered?
- What's the total elapsed time for the event?
Here's what I found: there was only a two second difference between careful and careless rollers in the initial stages of the shoot. Careful rollers took two to four seconds for setting the dice. Careless rollers just picked up the dice. Most of the careless rollers shook the dice in their hands from two to three seconds, whereas the careful shooter, once the dice were gripped, shot them. So, the delivery stage, while slightly longer for the careful shooter, was not that much longer. The biggest difference concerned some careless shooters who never bothered to pick up the dice, but took them at felt level and flung them a nanosecond after they touched them. This accounted for the one second overall difference in the lower average time for careless shooters.
Because the careful shooters' throws were soft, when the dice arrived at the back wall, they tended to die faster than the dice of the careless shooters, whose dice, propelled by much greater force, took that extra time to settle down.
If we were to take a typical roll, here's what it looks like from both a careful and careless shooters' viewpoints and the range of times we could expect to see:
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- Dice are delivered by stickman: Careful shooter sets the dice (2-4 seconds); Careful shooter aims (1 second); Careful shooter's dice arc and gently land decision (2-3 seconds). Time range: 5-8 seconds.
- Dice are delivered by stickman: Careless shooter picks up the dice (1 second); Careless shooter rattles dice in his hand (2-4 seconds); Careless shooter wings them down the felt ‹ decision (2-3 seconds). Time range: 5-8 seconds.
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While the overall time is the same, the pattern of each event is different. All the rhythmic rollers I watched shot from stick right or stick left, or once removed from either. The random rollers shot from everywhere. There might be a second gained or lost, but I couldn't factor that in.
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Based on my highly unscientific study (I used my wrist watch, and the number of people I 'clocked' was not much of a sampling), I'd say that rhythmic rollers don't have to worry about taking too much time. They don't slow the game down; they just, hopefully, slow down the casino's profits on them when they roll. And who could possibly get upset by that?
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